. >> stephanie: and can you imagine the officers that responded at sandy hook. and again not to sensationalize but i don't think it takes much for us to recognize what a you said earlier what a six year old looks like when they have been shot multiple times at close range with an assault weapon. >> that's right. but these parents -- that community will never ever be the same, and, you know, it -- it shows that if it can happen in newtown it can happen really literally anywhere. >> stephanie: right. and i think -- i like the administration's approach. they are looking at all parts of it. even as a liberal i think everything should be on the table. mental health, violent video games, it all was part of the mix in newtown, right? >> right. and it has to be comprehensive in every area that makes sense to do. but there is an absolutist kind of element to the gun violence debate that we have really got to get past and that's why when the vice president is inviting nra and gun groups to sit at the table, that makes sense, because this is not an assault on the second am